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Thank you carnism-is for intelligently arguing responses to these social justice people who clearly have double standards when it comes to animals. Maybe some people claiming to want justice for all are more concerned about being liked by society.

vegan-pancake:

carnism-is:

Maybe some people claiming to want justice for all are more concerned about being liked by society.

Pretty much. Trashing on vegans gets you SJ points if you fake concern for people’s struggles to cover up the fact you just don’t like people telling you why animal abuse is wrong and to help stop it as much as you can. It’s also the one time you don’t lose SJ points for erasing POC or poor people, when they’re vegans. 

Most vegans know that a fully plant based diet is impractical or impossible for some people for reasons outside of their control. We don’t blame them. You saw right in my first paragraph I addressed that, and they still threw a fit about me supposedly thinking everyone can be on a plant based diet. 

"After I gave a lecture on animal rights at a community center, a woman approached me and said that she was a volunteer at a center for battered women and rape victims. She said that she was very sympathetic to what I had to say about animals but that she was completely consumed by her work for women that she did not know how to find time to work to become involved in animal rights.

I asked her: ‘You have time to eat, don’t you?’

She replied, ‘Of course I do!’

'Do you wear clothes and use shampoo and other products?'

'Yes, sure. But what does that have to do with it?'

It has everything to do with it. I explained to her that if she really took the animal issue seriously, all she needed to do was to stop consuming them as food, wearing them, using products that contain them or that are tested on them, or patronizing any form of entertainment that used animals. If she never did anything else on the animal issue, her act of going vegan, and the example that she would set for friends and family, would themselves constitute important forms of activism that would in no way interfere with her work for women. Becoming an advocate for abolition is something that you can do at your next meal.

Second, it is a mistake to see issues of human and animal exploitation as mutually exclusive. On the contrary, all exploitation is inextricably intertwined. All exploitation is a manifestation of violence. All discrimination is a manifestation of violence. As long as we tolerate violence of any sort, there will be violence of every sort.”

- Gary Francione, “Human Rights and Animal Rights: Perfectly Together."
His short “Social Justice, Human Rights, and Being Vegan" is also helpful.

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carnism-is:

colorsofsocialjustice:

thehufflepufffromgallifrey:

Um no.

Seriously, no. Some people can’t handle vegan diets. Some of the ingredients gives them allergies or worse. It’s not healthy for them like it would for you. And there are cultural differences involved too. Funny how you would drag non-white people and racism into this when you demand to change their traditions just to make yourself feel comfortable. Plus, vegans aren’t oppressed so don’t act like you are.
 This picture just screams “I’m a pretentious control freak.” 
-Indigo 

Good thing veganism isn’t just a diet. If you have a reason you cannot go on a fully plant based diet you can still adopt the philosophy, be involved in activism, and reduce your use of animal products as far as practical and possible.Good thing most vegans agree that it’s unacceptable (and ineffective) for white people to go into other’s cultures, and that we should have animal rights activists from their own culture advocate for animal rights. We have plenty we can tackle within our own culture.Good thing a lot of vegans aren’t fucking white, and concern for animal rights was something largely pioneered by POC centuries, millennia ago. White people get the loudest voice and all the credit now because, well, they’re white. Acting like animal rights is a white person thing is racist as hell, and erases a long history of animal rights with POC.Nothing about this picture is claiming vegans are oppressed, however reading it again the top isn’t worded that great and they could have gotten the point across without mentioning POC or LGBT people. It’s also funny you call us control freaks, when you support controlling when someone’s body, along with when and how they die just for what usually boils down to enjoying a 15 minute meal in most cases. 

1) Unless you are a minor who is limited by their parents’ product/food purchases, or you are otherwise somehow unable to choose the food you eat, “veganism can’t be for everyone” is an utterly ridiculous claim. There are hundreds of foods available to eat. Fucking hundreds. Meat, dairy and eggs are only about ten of them. Fucking ten. Please show me a single person who is only able to survive or stave off disease by eating meat, dairy, and eggs. This argument is so ignorant and does nothing except to illustrate that the person making this claim hasn’t researched vegan diets or food options at all. You can be soy free and vegan. You can be gluten free and vegan. You can be vegan with food allergies. Seriously, do you not realize how many foods are available, or what the body ACTUALLY needs to function properly?2) Vegans aren’t oppressed the way POC or the LGBT community are often oppressed, but we are looked down on and ridiculed and unaccommodated by about 90% of the community, restaurants and retailers when all we’re trying to do is eradicate a violent, primitive ideology that is destroying our health and the environment.

carnism-is:

colorsofsocialjustice:

thehufflepufffromgallifrey:

Um no.

Seriously, no. Some people can’t handle vegan diets. Some of the ingredients gives them allergies or worse. It’s not healthy for them like it would for you. And there are cultural differences involved too. Funny how you would drag non-white people and racism into this when you demand to change their traditions just to make yourself feel comfortable. Plus, vegans aren’t oppressed so don’t act like you are.

 This picture just screams “I’m a pretentious control freak.” 

-Indigo 

Good thing veganism isn’t just a diet. If you have a reason you cannot go on a fully plant based diet you can still adopt the philosophy, be involved in activism, and reduce your use of animal products as far as practical and possible.

Good thing most vegans agree that it’s unacceptable (and ineffective) for white people to go into other’s cultures, and that we should have animal rights activists from their own culture advocate for animal rights. We have plenty we can tackle within our own culture.

Good thing a lot of vegans aren’t fucking white, and concern for animal rights was something largely pioneered by POC centuries, millennia ago. White people get the loudest voice and all the credit now because, well, they’re white. Acting like animal rights is a white person thing is racist as hell, and erases a long history of animal rights with POC.

Nothing about this picture is claiming vegans are oppressed, however reading it again the top isn’t worded that great and they could have gotten the point across without mentioning POC or LGBT people. It’s also funny you call us control freaks, when you support controlling when someone’s body, along with when and how they die just for what usually boils down to enjoying a 15 minute meal in most cases. 

1) Unless you are a minor who is limited by their parents’ product/food purchases, or you are otherwise somehow unable to choose the food you eat, “veganism can’t be for everyone” is an utterly ridiculous claim. There are hundreds of foods available to eat. Fucking hundreds. Meat, dairy and eggs are only about ten of them. Fucking ten. Please show me a single person who is only able to survive or stave off disease by eating meat, dairy, and eggs. This argument is so ignorant and does nothing except to illustrate that the person making this claim hasn’t researched vegan diets or food options at all. You can be soy free and vegan. You can be gluten free and vegan. You can be vegan with food allergies. Seriously, do you not realize how many foods are available, or what the body ACTUALLY needs to function properly?

2) Vegans aren’t oppressed the way POC or the LGBT community are often oppressed, but we are looked down on and ridiculed and unaccommodated by about 90% of the community, restaurants and retailers when all we’re trying to do is eradicate a violent, primitive ideology that is destroying our health and the environment.

  • Vegan:

    *Shows endless photographic evidence of animal cruelty and abuse at farms*

  • Carnist:

    "I call bullshit! This isn't how it's really done! It's just an isolated incident! ~Not all farms~"

Vegan Tip:

carnism-is:

vegan-vulcan:

tempeh-queen:

Ignorant remarks from meat eaters are a complete source of protein. Examples of these high quality proteins include “but bacon,” and “plants feel pain.”

Comparisons to lions are very high in B12.

Bringing up migrant workers will give you 100% of the recommended daily intake of iron.

wildcat2030:

Oregon Supreme Court Rules Animals Can Be Considered Victims - The Oregon Supreme Court has passed a ruling that recognizes animals as more than property, to be treated (or mistreated) as their owners see fit. The ruling establishes that animals can be regarded as legal victims, which should afford them greater protection from abuse. (via Oregon Supreme Court Rules Animals Can Be Considered Victims)


*pets. They mean pets. Not animals in general. And certainly not farm animals. -_-Still…progress.

wildcat2030:

Oregon Supreme Court Rules Animals Can Be Considered Victims
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The Oregon Supreme Court has passed a ruling that recognizes animals as more than property, to be treated (or mistreated) as their owners see fit. The ruling establishes that animals can be regarded as legal victims, which should afford them greater protection from abuse. (via Oregon Supreme Court Rules Animals Can Be Considered Victims)

*pets. They mean pets. Not animals in general. And certainly not farm animals. -_-

Still…progress.

Anonymous
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What sources do you use when telling people about how animal products are bad for our bodies?

carnism-is:

I personally don’t focus on health much, aside from lightly mentioning the fact nutritional associations state that plant based diets have health benefits. Focusing on the health too much just creates plant based dieters, and you end up getting into endless arguments with Keto/Paleo people. I focus primarily on the animals, but also focus on the environment and humans. So I don’t really have any sources on meat being bad for our body. Maybe my followers do though? 

Google “dangers of eating meat” and enjoy. :)

Anonymous
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What sources do you use when telling people about how animal products are bad for our bodies?

carnism-is:

compassionco:

carnism-is:

I personally don’t focus on health much, aside from lightly mentioning the fact nutritional associations state that plant based diets have health benefits. Focusing on the health too much just creates plant based dieters, and you end up getting into endless arguments with Keto/Paleo people. I focus primarily on the animals, but also focus on the environment and humans. So I don’t really have any sources on meat being bad for our body. Maybe my followers do though? 

According to Veganomics, people go vegan at about the same rates for ethical reasons as they do for health reasons (with a very slight edge for ethical) and the recidivism rate for both groups is nearly identical (a depressing 75%). So while it seems counterintuitive and the health bloggers often annoy me as well, whatever the reason people go vegan will help just as many animals regardless of why they do it, with a tiny advantage for ethical vegans.

This is, of course, just referring to dietary habits and not other aspects of veganism. But since 98% of animals killed in the US are for food, it’s worth discussing since we need to use every tool at our disposal to help animals. 

Interesting! I had no idea. Maybe it would be worth doing some research into the health aspects a bit more. :)

Veganism to me is everything. Completely holistic. It’s about animals, AND health, AND the economy, AND the environment, AND morality. To fragment it into one thing or another, in my opinion, dilutes the true core of what veganism is about, which is non-harm, of any kind, to the best of our ability. If you make it just an animal rights issue or just a health issue or just an environmental issue, you’re really not getting the big picture.

torn-by-dreams:

Friendly reminder that an organic, vegan lifestyle is NOT cheap in America and the large majority of people can’t afford to live ‘cruelty free’ even if they wanted to. For that matter, stores that stock organic foods or vegan alternatives are not that common in certain areas (certain areas with bad economies). My town has Food Lions and similar chains, but that’s about it, and while we get organic food as often as possible, it is not very often and it is not very easy on the budget.

Organic is more expensive, yes. Vegan is not. I live in America and every vegan I know is relatively poor, or has been poor (and vegan) at one point, and they don’t all shop at Whole Foods. You’re making excuses for why you/others “can’t” go vegan because you simply don’t want to. A 30-second Google search on cheap vegan food will get you on the right path. This isn’t hard. It just requires a tiny bit of research, prep, and an open mind.

You don’t have to buy vegan “alternatives” to be vegan. Most of that stuff isn’t even very good for you. I don’t eat tofu or “fake meat” or vegan cheese. However, I just did a quick search on Food Lion and found a recipe on their website that called for non-dairy butter such as SmartBalance or EarthBalance, so I’m guessing they do carry some non-dairy alternatives. My EarthBalance container lasts me like 2 months.

If you’re a kid/teenager and limited to your parents’ food purchases, that’s different. I harbor no judgment against you. But if you’re an adult and have the ability to make choices about what you eat, you are held responsible, and your argument simply doesn’t stand up. You can choose meat and dairy, or you can choose something else. And there are many something-elses at every grocery store in America.

pasfolichon:

Animal agriculture is the number one contributor to human-caused climate change. Raising animals for meat and dairy consumes 1/3 of the entire planet’s fresh water, occupies up to 45% of Earth’s land, is responsible for 91% of Amazon destruction, and is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, and habitat destruction.

But “bacon”, right ?

vegan-because-fuck-you:

Also, anyone else notice that most people who say “animals don’t feel emotions like humans” also like to say that it’s okay for them to eat meat because they get it from a quaint little local farm where “all the animals are happy”