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Version 1 of ‘A Rough Guide to Spotting Bad Science’. Thanks for everyone’s suggestions earlier in the week, attempted to include as many of them as possible!
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Approach the world with an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.
Here’s a list of tips on how to weigh good science from bad. Combine that with my video on “How to Read Science News" and you’ll be in pretty good shape and shall never be led astray:
veganism is basically for rich white people who can afford to eat a plant-based diet and find adequate protein and iron alternatives. asking for everyone to become a vegan is classism and racism at its finest.
Your classism argument doesn’t seem to be based on facts, but rather on misconceptions. Back when I relied on food stamps, my vegan diet was so cheap that I would always have food stamp money left over to help feed my siblings, too.
What does being white have to do with taking easy steps to reduce harm to animals, the environment, and our ability to feed humans? Are there race restrictions on eating a healthier and less cruel diet?
Perfect response to the most ignorant argument of all time.
On Tumblr, you can’t say, “Go vegan! It’s good for animals, the environment, and your health!” That sounds too much like plain English to be accepted by Tumblr SJWs, who may get confused by what you mean.
The proper way to say it is:
"If you aren’t an indigenous person living off the grid;…
X% of the world: VACCINATIONS ARE HORRIBLE AND POISON AND A CONSPIRACY AND I WILL NEVER GIVE ONE TO MY CHILD EVER.
X% of the world: ANTI-VAXXERS ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO ARE IGNORANT AND EVIL AND THEY’RE ABUSING THEIR CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE TRIED AS CRIMINALS AND HANGED*
Guess what, you’re both fucking retarded morons. Some vaccines, like malaria if you’re traveling abroad, are worth getting because their benefits outweigh the risks. A lot of vaccines, like the flu shot, are not, except under certain extreme conditions. Some are most likely government- and big-pharma-hyped to the point of being unethical, and some may actually be more harmful than good. But this all-or-nothing/black-and-white attitude makes you look just as fucking stupid as the side you’re opposing. You guys aren’t scientists. All you know is what you’ve read, and who knows how accurate that is? Unethical research is done all the time, and plenty of it slips through the cracks. Even though there is conflicting research on both sides, your brain decided to latch on to one side like a fucking lifeline and convince itself that it’s the world’s leading expert on medicine, rather than admitting this isn’t a black-and-white issue and the only thing we know for sure is that there is probably some validity at the source of both arguments.
*gist of actual comment I read this morning
No; America is fat because they choose to buy the hamburger and fries instead of actually buying vegetables at the grocery store and making their own salad, which is cheaper than the hamburger and fries.
I know this is meant to be funny but, well, it’s not. It’s perpetuating this bullshit excuse that being healthy is “too expensive” or “elitist”. For one, the burger/fries/coke is FAR too many calories for one meal, and may even top the amount of calories one needs in an entire day, so you’re already eating more than you need, which means you’re not as poor as you’d like to think. In the grocery store, meat and cheese are some of the most expensive food there is. Rice, beans, and grains are far cheaper, even if you’re not bringing fruits or vegetables into the picture. There are all kinds of websites and books (like “vegan on $4 a day”) that illustrate this fallacy.
Bottom line, people just want an excuse to keep eating their unhealthy crap. Being healthy — healthier, at least — is not elitist or expensive. Even if it may cost more to fill your fridge with organic fruits and vegetables, why not consider the amount of medical bills you’ll be saving over the course of your lifetime?
For anyone who says they can’t afford to eat healthy food, I say you really can’t afford not to. I grew up in a one-income household, and my father didn’t make much money to begin with, but we always ate healthy food. We also didn’t buy junk food, soda, booze, cigarettes, or any of the other things people spend money on, and most of our clothes came from the thrift store. I saw how our money was spent, and health was the priority. So unless you’re living on the street, you really can’t say that you can’t afford to eat well. You just have to re-prioritize your spending.
My name’s Jon Camp, and I’m Director of Outreach for Vegan Outreach, a nonprofit working to reduce animal suffering through the widespread distributio…
Jon Camp of VO is doing an AMA today with Reddit. Got any questions about veganism, vegetarianism, factory farming, activism, etc.? Check him out!
Nothing like starting the morning hearing a diabetic complain about getting “strange looks” when they order diet soda because they can’t drink regular soda.
Here’s a thought, stop drinking soda. It’s poison. Especially diet.
I don’t understand why someone who already has a life-altering disease wouldn’t be taking every conceivable measure to make themselves as healthy as possible. It is beyond me.
A variety of things I may eat in a given day (obviously not all in one day) and approximately how many calories are in a realistic serving size:
Smoothie (orange juice, banana, frozen fruit, coconut yogurt, whatever): ~300
Cereal w/ non-dairy milk: ~200
Toast w/ Earth Balance butter, jelly, peanut butter, etc: 100-400
Chipotle veggie burrito: (~800) or bowl (~550)
Panera Mediterranean veggie sans feta: 400ish? I forget.
Sandwich (avocado/tomato/onion with hummus, or PB&J): ~300-500
Veggie chili: 200-300
My husband’s homemade enchiladas w/ homemade guac: DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU EAT B/C DELICIOUS, PROBABLY 600-800
Black bean salad: ~200?
Chana palak w/ naan: a lot; this is probably where my 5 extra lbs came from.
Sunday buffet at any Indian restaurant: god help you
Spaghetti w/ sauce (add garlic, mushrooms, peppers if you want): 300-400
Veggie burger w/ fries from Bahama Breeze: too many
Veggie burger w/ fries from Marlow’s Tavern: too many
Veggie burger w/ fries from so many other places who have it: too many
Tabbouleh, mom’s recipe: 150-200
Whole Foods vegan cookie: god I don’t even want to know
Taco salad (rice, beans, tomato/lettuce/onion/avocado, crunched up chips): plenty
Pumpkin bread: ask for recipe, try not to eat it all
Van’s waffle w/ coconut whipped cream and strawberries: ~250?
Homemade vegan chocolate cake: doesn’t matter b/c you will eat it all in one sitting
Celery w/ peanut butter and raisins: depends on how much PB you use
Artichokes w/ garlic “butter” (Earth Balance): probably 300 just from the butter
Vegan biscuit: 170
Stuffing, gravy, and mashed potatoes: don’t know, don’t want to know
Mac-n-cheese w/ Daiya: no idea
Vegan pizza (now available at Uncle Maddio’s, and Ammazza if you’re in Atlanta): depends on how much you eat. I ate it all.
One of those $4 chocolate bars from World Market with the love poems inside: 170/serving (3 servings to a bar… good luck).
These are just off the top of my head in five minutes, and most of these aren’t even that healthy (of course I encourage salads and greens too, as well as snacking on fruit and nuts, but I was trying to appeal to people having issues with the indulgence/convenience challenges of veganism — IT’S OKAY TO EAT MORE THAN SPROUTS, YOU KNOW :D). You can find several of these on the recipe blog I used to keep (now I post recipes here).
I recently read that Kristen Bell reverted from veganism to vegetarianism while breastfeeding because she felt she “couldn’t get enough calories” from veganism, claiming she would’ve had to eat all day long in order to get enough. Apparently she thinks raw vegetables are the only food that exists? Oh, and eggs/dairy now, I guess. I actually liked her — especially her love of sloths, and obvious respect for animals, not to mention Frozen — and I was really disappointed to read that. I know celebrities are generally filled to the brim with horseshit and I rarely have any respect for the lot of them, but she actually seemed all right.
So here’s a sad but defiant response to that disappointing interview. Giving up veganism is sad enough, but making up ridiculous excuses for why is so much worse.
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If you want to know how fucking horrible people are and how much the Internet hates vegans, you never have to look any further than Imgur.
"One vegan acted in the extreme" clearly means "all vegans are shitty people and veganism is a horrible evil cult."
Yeah, there’s nothing worse than a lifestyle that tries to avoid eating helpless creatures who screamed and struggled as they were killed so you could have your fucking bacon.
Fuck you, world. Fuck you.
The letter writer is a bitch and I absolutely disagree with her approach, but I respect her sentiment 100%, and I too would write a letter, albeit a much nicer one stating my position politely. If I received a non-vegan food product in the mail when I didn’t order it, I would be upset too, because that would mean a non-vegan product was consumed in my name. No, it’s not the end of the world, but I would still want the merchant to know that while the gesture is appreciated, for many people it is a very sensitive issue of morality.
For an extreme example, consider that your dog kills a baby rabbit and brings it home to you as a “gift.” Sure, you can discard it, but if you’re an animal lover, it’s going to make you sad to see the dead bunny and naturally wish the dog hadn’t killed it at all.
I get that it wasn’t a raw steak that landed on her doorstep and the animal product in the candy isn’t the most horrendous thing that ever happened, but it’s the principle. The morons who keep screaming “JUST THROW IT AWAY” have absolutely no sense of what veganism is about (ignorantly and close-mindedly viewing it, as always, as “a diet” and thus no more worthy of respect than Weight Watchers or Atkins, and certainly not worth the activism it spawns), and apparently zero comprehension of the “vote with your dollar” concept that governs the entire economy of supply and demand.
The candy in this case has already been purchased and that is primarily why the writer is upset; it’s irrelevant now whether they eat it or throw it away. If it were not for her order, this candy would not have been purchased (in theory); therefore, she is indirectly responsible. One letter may not make a difference, of course, because the candy had likely already been ordered in bulk, but if the merchant received enough letters from vegans asking him not to send candy because animal products conflict with their morality, he would stop buying it. Because business and all. And that would be one less customer of a product that harmed animals during its production.
That is what “vote with your dollar” means. That is how powerful it is — how powerful WE are. That is absolutely and utterly the only reason so many vegan foods are available today, and why meat consumption is steadily declining. That is why Chipotle has tofu now, and why coffee shops serve soy and almond milk, and why Whole Foods is booming, and why you can get veggie burgers all over the place. Because vegans said “we don’t want this; we want this." And businesses want their money. That is why the livestock industries are suffering right now; that’s why poultry associations have drastic meetings about how to "stop" vegans because they are threatening their very livelihood. That letter writer’s assholery aside, the only reason fewer animals are being abused and murdered is because vegans have spoken up.
And god damn to hell anyone who doesn’t think that’s a good thing.
This makes me so unfairly angry. I’m angry at the stupid cunt-rag who wrote the nasty letter, and I’m angry at the bacon-addicted lard asses who are using her as an excuse to hate veganism. I’m angry that there are self-centered shithead vegans who give the rest of us a bad name and have no interest in trying to inspire others to be vegan. I’m angry that I’ve resorted to petty name-calling from being so worked up. I’m angry that ignorant, insane people think it borders on abusive to raise your child vegan — to raise your child to have compassion toward all animals and the environment while maximizing their personal health. I’m angry at how horrifyingly backwards our world is, and how sometimes I am literally terrified to exist among the 99% of the 7 billion people in this world who are primitive savages with violent ideologies.
But most of all, I’m fucking angry that so few people care about tiny baby chicks being tossed alive into a grinder, or newborn calves being ripped from their mother’s side, or piglets being smashed on the ground. WHY DO SO FEW PEOPLE CARE? WHY?!! I HAVE EVERY FUCKING RIGHT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT THIS.
I try so hard to stay calm about these things, but sometimes it all becomes too much.
I think I need some deep breaths and two or twenty minutes at donothingfor2minutes.com.
"every vegetarian i know seems to be going back to eating meat and i’m not sure if it encourages me to maybe rethink the vegan thing or strengthens my need to see it through. i mean, i would never eat meat again, no way. my new baseline is a vegetarian,…
I hate to be the Negative Nancy here, but personally I think if you have doubts about veganism, then you are not sufficiently educated about veganism. (Not to say there aren’t days when we feel frustrated or discouraged about it, but I think that’s different.) There are as many personal health reasons as there are moral reasons for it, and no lack of evidence or information for either. If you’re not educated, it’s very easy to be unhealthy as a vegan. There are tons of crappy processed foods that happen to be vegan and lack nutritional value. Even more true for vegetarianism. You could eat pizza, cookies, and soda every day and then claim vegetarianism made you gain weight or feel unhealthy.
Vegetarianism is a moot point, though, because it is still integrated with the meat industry and does not represent a cruelty-free lifestyle. That said, however, it is certainly healthier than carnism, and evidence for that is even more widespread. The reasons vegetarians are so much more inclined to return to carnism is because their choices are based on personal preference and lack education about these issues; if they were educated and their motives went beyond personal preference or “health reasons,” they would logically shift to veganism instead.
Vegetarianism is a diet. Veganism is a lifestyle that includes a dietary component. This is a significant distinction. People are about 100x more likely to give up a diet than to give up an informed, rational, and morality focused lifestyle.
On a side note, all those trendy “vegan” celebrities really need to watch how they use that term, because there is also a distinction between veganism and a plant-based diet. Once again, a plant-based diet is still just a diet. It is but one component of veganism. Ellen Degeneres, who supposedly eats her neighbor’s “happy/free range” eggs and is a spokesperson for non-vegan makeup, is not a real vegan. Kristen Bell, who decided to switch from veganism to vegetarianism while breastfeeding because she just “couldn’t get enough calories” from veganism, was clearly not sufficiently educated about veganism in the first place… and apparently has never heard of rice, nuts, grains, or avocados.
At any rate, if someone is educated about veganism but finds themselves being influenced by choices their friends are making, I would suggest the issue at stake has more to do with doubting themselves rather than veganism — i.e. lack of confidence, fear of being ostracized, etc… but that’s not really for me to judge.
A comment on an article about vegetarians, “Study: Vegetarians Less Healthy than Meat Eaters”
I’m tired of seeing this faulty study.
There are many, many studies showing that veg*ns are healthier than the general population. And yet, if one study (supposedly) shows that vegetarians are less healthy, people cling to it to support their carnism.
Perhaps the most interesting thing about this study is that half of the “vegetarians” were pescetarians. Fish aren’t vegetables.
Also important: Many types of fish have unhealthy levels of mercury. Some pescetarians eat extra fish to replace the land-based meats they’d eat if they had an “average” meat-eating diet.
This study doesn’t effectively show that vegetarianism nor veganism are unhealthy, because there is no vegetarian experimental group. This study just shows that sometimes pescetarians develop mercury-related health problems, such as neuropathy, inflammatory problems, heart-disease, etc.
We are, ostensibly, an intelligent species. Stop making excuses, and do what’s right for you health, your fellow human beings, the environment, and the animals.
Via Vegan Sidekick
To the OP:
- Plants do not have brains and central nervous systems. They cannot feel pain.
- Fruit is the sexual organ of a plant (contains seed to grow new plant). If you eat an apple you do not kill the apple tree.
- Humans are biological herbivores. We can live completely without eating meat. We cannot live without eating plants however.
- Your piece of meat destroyed more plants than I can eat in a day. To “create” 1 pound of beef, 16 pounds of grains are necessary. We feed excessive amounts of plants (mostly genetically modified corn, soy, wheat) to fatten up animals faster than normal so we can maximise profit. If you eat meat, you destroy more plants than a vegan.
- Large areas of the equatorial rain forest (including all plant species that lived there) are being destroyed in order to create more space to grow crops to feed livestock animals.
- If every human were vegan we’d destroy much less plants.
- Eating animal carcass does not replenish your body. Fruit replenishes your body. Animal carcass causes disease.
People who make the plant argument are the worst. How little they must respect the sentience of non-human animals to say there’s no meaningful difference between chopping up carrots and sticking a pig in the throat. I can’t think of anything more speciesist and disrespectful than to compare all the rest of animalia to potatoes.
Yeah how about I take your dog and hack them apart with a machete. Why are you screaming? Calm down, it’s just a vegetable.
All wonderfully stated (except the original image, of course :P).
ETA: I am against picking flowers just for the sake of it; all the flowers at my wedding were made from recycled paper, and my husband once bought me this 8-bit bouquet. Personally I find “live” flowers utterly depressing as a gift because they wilt and die. They should be enjoyed in nature. Food plants, on the other hand, are completely different because we need them to live and thrive.